Have you seen signs like these around?
What do you think when you see such signs?
I pretty much understand what they are thinking when I see signs like these…
The sad part about these signs is that they were made/held by a group from a church…Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas.
In their defense what they mean is God hates sin and that sin is punishable in Hell, but it is pretty obvious why the groups targeted say they are 'hated'.
Let's face it, they can say…
· Westboro hates them
· So the church hates them
· So Christians hate them
· So God hates them
Which has led to signs such as this
Can you believe that? 'If there was no God there would be no hate.'
Of course if God hates them then Jesus hates them, too.
· And check this one out
· So basically if you disagree with a group then you 'hate' them.
And hate is bad.
We're supposed to love everyone.
So if disagreeing is hating…
Then loving must be agreeing…or at least not disagreeing.
So the logic is agree, to show you love them,
So you will be accepted in society…
Do you really think people believe like this (that they are hated) or is it part of the agenda/propaganda?
They even love to turn it around to say that Christians who disagree/aka "Hate" their group won't go to heaven…
***I think back to when our children were younger. We would do/say something they didn't like or we would disagree with something they wanted to do and they would come back with something like,
"You hate me!"
"You never let me do what all the other kids are doing."
"Suzie/Johnny's parents let them do it."
"You hate me!"
Of course they know better than that. That's just part of the strategy to get you as a parent to say, "No, Honey, I don't hate you. You just go ahead and do whatever you want to do."
Is that 'logic' correct? Will we give in and let our children do whatever they want just because they say we 'hate' them if we don't?
"Hey, Dad, will you buy us a keg for our party Friday night? None of us are old enough and all of my friends want to drink while here."
"I don't think that’s a good idea."
"You hate me. All my friends drink and they won't want to come to my party/our house if we don't have beer.
Why do you hate me? All their parents buy it for them."
"Oh, okay. Since you put it that way. I sure don't hate you and I want you to have friends. I'll get you a keg.
Would you prefer me do this at a motel so you all can have a room, too?"
Why wouldn't we do it that way? (By the way, I got this idea from a group of parents in GA when I lived there. This is what they did for their kids after prom so they wouldn't be on the roads drunk. In their minds this made them 'responsible' parents.)
I told my kids 'no' plenty of times. I tried to never be the parent who said, "Because I said so, that's why."
I always tried to give them a logical reason…I tried to always give them a Biblical reason…still my kids didn't always agree with me.
They would still come back with 'You hate me.'
I knew better than that. They knew better than that. I knew I didn't hate them. I loved them more than I loved myself. I just couldn't give in to their childish wishes because they used the 'hate' word.
And the same is true for me today.
I don't hate people who make immoral decisions. I have really good friends who are gay, atheist, alcoholic, lost as they can be. I don't hate them. I love them like one of my own.
I will never agree with their choices/lifestyles but I certainly don't hate them.
I know it's God's desire that all come to repentance and He will hold me accountable for how I respond to them.
So where does this ‘hate’ language come from?
Kinda like our children, if they say we hate them (When they know we really love them) they hope we will respond as they hope…with agreement to what they are doing.
Or it could come from these verses in John…
John 15:18 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."
Maybe it's because deep inside they hate the message of Jesus and they direct it toward the church and its members.
Since they feel hate for us they imply we hate them.
So what's the church to do?
Obviously we aren’t to hate anyone.
I question the technique of Westboro Baptist…
So what are we as a church to do to show love/compassion to all people? To lead them to Jesus?
Some churches have adopted this campaign…
"God still speaks…"
That sounds reasonable. God is alive. He's not dead. It’s a sure thing that He still speaks to His people.
But the question is, does God change His mind?
Are things wrong for one generation and not for another?
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
It's comparing things to God that makes them right or wrong. Does His nature change?
If something was wrong in Bible times its wrong today as well.
Check out this comment the Pope made in his attempt to 'love' everyone.
It says, "If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and is of good will, who am I to judge him?"
Isn't that right? Doesn't the Bible say not to judge or we too will be judged. Matthew 7:1?
I'm not to judge.
But if something is plainly contrary to Scripture am I judging to tell someone what the Scripture says? Or am I to go along with society and agree with what I know the Bible speaks against so as not to 'judge' someone…not to 'hate' them…not to upset them.
To love like this is to love as the world defines it.
***So how are we to love…not hate those whose lifestyle is contrary to Biblical teaching?
Romans 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. (It must include all three. Are the people evil or are their actions misconstrued? Hate that they have been misled but never hate the person.)
1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
But at the same time we can't say we love God/the other person and approve of their sinful lifestyle.
"Well, it's their choice."
It is, but do they know what Scripture says about it? Do they know why God disapproves?
Are we to let society (Satan) convince them things are acceptable when God plainly says they aren't?
How much can we really say we love someone if we never tell them the truth of God's Word?
And if we are one with God we won't either.
Just be sure your love is God's love, based on His Word.
To compromise the Word of God is not for Him…and not for Him is against Him.
Don’t fall for their language. We know there is a great difference in stating God's Word and hating someone. We don't always have to agree to love someone. You certainly don't always agree.
1 John 4:5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Be ready for opposition. Those who don't know God will never think like He does. They will listen to what the world says. That's why it is so important to boldly share what God feels about certain things.
Standing for God, speaking His word in love will draw opposition…
Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
23 "Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their fathers treated the prophets.
Luke 21:16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 All men will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 By standing firm you will gain life.
I found this chart the other day and I would like to show it to you…
So you still think homosexuality is sinful and therefore gays shouldn't be allowed to marry?
Congratulations on being part of the civilized society. (Who is eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and deciding on their own what is right and wrong.
Notice the wording 'Still' believe, like 'The world used to believe this way but now they have been enlightened.'
· Let's begin with far right 'yes': It disgusts me…at least you are honest…like all other answers are dishonest, a cover up for disgust.
· Because Bible defines marriage as one man/one woman…no it doesn't.
o Yes it does. Matt 19:4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." 7 "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" 8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
o The TWO…one man/one woman
o Other marriages have been approved but were never part of God's original plan.
· God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Marriage is no longer to repopulate the earth.
o Procreation if a by product of marriage, not the purpose.
o Marriage is to be for oneness between man and woman.
o Sex is an expression of that oneness.
o Not to sound rude but go back and listen to Phil Robinson from Duck Dynasty…he had it right.
o He created man and woman for marriage.
o That's the way He meant it, quit taking license with His design.
· NT says so. Are we really to listen to Paul? He says women shouldn't teach men.
o Romans 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
o God obviously had special plans for Paul or He wouldn't have converted him like he did.
o Should we listen to Paul? YES!!!
o Instead of pushing homosexuality under the rug because Paul spoke against women teaching men, we should give more attention to women teaching men. It's the same yesterday, today, forever.
· Because OT says so…it says lots of other things too.
o That is true. Certain books of the OT are records of the written law of that day. Do we need to be concerned with some of those things today? No.
o But was homosexuality condemned by God in the OT? Yes!
o As the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Was homosexuality the only reason Sodom was destroyed? No. But look at the story recorded as example of why God destroyed the city.
o When the 2 angels came to Lot's house…Gen 19:4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
· Jesus never uttered a word about same sex marriage.
o We could argue that Jesus never spoke to illegal drugs or internet pornography or murder either…but actually He did speak against same sex marriage.
o Go back to Matt 19:4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?
o He said marriage was to be male and female. No need to cover other forms. This is the way it was meant to be…period.
· Have fun living your _________________ life.
o I will have joy living under that word of God. I will share its truth with all I can. I will love them and pray for them but will not agree with them.
God still speaks, but He doesn't change His mind.
God meant for there to be brotherly love. Accept that and move on.
The 'Oneness' He is talking about is to be between man and woman as He created them…as He designed them.
I know many don't agree with that. Take it up with God. It's His design.